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- From: dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: Why are europeans dumb enough to buy amigas?
- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 05:00:55 GMT
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- On Sun, 14 Apr 96 16:42:53, jtv@xs4all.nl (Jeroen T. Vermeulen) wrote:
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- >
- >In article <316b18f3.9522909@news.onramp.net> dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) writes:
- >> On Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:30:04 GMT, finnh@ak.planet.gen.nz (Finn Higgins)
- >> wrote:
- >
- >> >yep. but you don't get all that much extra functionality out of it when you
- >> >register. Plus, I'd like to see you emulate a Mac at the same speed on your
- >> >PC for the same amount of money.
- >>
- >> Granted that Emulator costs money and lacks a few features (quite a
- >> few, granted!). However, it is a nice solution for those with a very
- >> fast pc - even on slower PCs like the 486100, 040/25 or 33 speeds are
- >> attainable. That's not at all bad.
- >
- >In fact it's questionable. UAE doesn't reach the speed of a plain 7 MHz 68000
- >on a Pentium, according to the author.
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- We're talking about Executor, not UAE. I should have written
- "Executor" not "Emulator" above.
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- I agree that UAE is very, very slow.
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- >For any interpreter, and there's less difference with dynamic translation than
- >emulator writers would like, you'd need at least three data memory accesses just
- >to be able emulate an 040 instruction. That alone would account for several 486
- >cycles per emulated instruction (at least three if the D cache is
- >single-ported), but in half the L1 cache size (because 040 I fetches effectively
- >become 486 D loads). On top of that come the register spills of the emulator
- >itself.
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- I'm unsure this is the problem; Ardi has gotten tremendous speed in
- their Mac emulators for Intel. 2.0b0 is even faster.
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- >Then come Little-Endian conversion, status bits, and exceptions. That's worth
- >at least a cycle per instruction as well. Finally of course you've got to
- >perform the actual instruction. So even assuming plain 68000 emulation, no MMU
- >and no FPU (which is much slower on the 486 if you ask me), you'd need to create
- >some kind of handicap to slow down the 040 or the 486 won't keep up with only
- >three times the clock speed (and about the same bus speed). Without a L2 cache
- >the 486 doesn't stand a chance at all.
-
- Check www.ardi.com with a PC. Get 2.0b0 or b2.
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